I’ve been thinking for a while about how to graphically depict how to keep moving forward in interactions with a woman for men who aren’t sure when the right time to escalate is.
When you’re interacting with an attractive woman, there are certain key points in which you need to ACT. This applies whether you’ve met her in a bar or club, whether you’re on a date, or whether you’re just hanging out with a girl. If you don’t act within these critical windows, you will be friend-zoned, and she will lose interest.
There is a window of opportunity when you’re with a woman. At any stage, in-between the two red lines, where the stars are, is an opportunity you can take to progress to the next stage. It doesn’t really matter if it’s a bit early, because it’s better to make your intentions clear and avoid getting friend-zoned. However, notice that when you’ve just passed that point of perfect opportunity, she will lose interest and you’ll lose your opportunity altogether.
It’s essentially building tension at the right points, and then acting when the time is right. This applies whether you meet her at a club and want to escalate, or whether it’s on a date. Re-read this post, including the part about Krauser’s Date Model, for further guidance on time-frames for dating.
Think of a rubber band. When you pick it up, you can’t flick it at a target. Put a little bit of tension, and you still can’t. Then stretch it out further, and you’ll get to a point when you could flick it. It’s not the perfect time, but you’ll still be able to flick it. There will be a perfect time to flick it. With some experience, you’ll know exactly when that is. Pulling a little bit too much more however, and you’ll flick yourself and lose tension altogether.
For the Kissing Timeframe, Maverick Traveller has excellent advice for this: When I was a young rookie and just getting into game, my time to kiss (TTK) was infinity. I used to go out with chicks but was never pulling the trigger and consequently never moved past the bullshit platonic territory. Later on, I made an effort to have a TTK on the same night I went out with the girl.
I told myself that I wouldn’t end the date until I somehow went for the kiss. So when I went out with a girl anywhere — whether to a park, a club, or a symphony — I would always make to sure to make a move before going home. It didn’t matter if it would be the cliche kiss after walking her home or partying ways at the metro station. These days my average TTK is around one to two hour mark.
Update: Free Northerner has a good post on The Friend Zone. Watch the embedded video on the page, it’s a classic.

This is true advice. But it’s sort of useless. . Every man, hell even teenaged boys, know that there is the kiss issue you describe. You have failed to address how to fix it. How to go for the kiss
It’s like telling someone they should exersize to have good health. We all know this. But what kind of exersize? What is the technique? How much? When?
Obviously the guy on the date was being given a clue w/ the romance reference his date brought up. But he can’t just dive into her face with the intention of kissing. it’s too abrupt. He needs some way to announce his intention.
I personally would have said,
– “so this is the most romantic place in DC huh? Let’s see if that is really true. Come over here and give me kiss” —
What I like about this is, if the girl goes for it then you KNOW she is into you. You are making her do the work to prove that she likes you.
I’d disagree that men and teenage boys UNDERSTAND the kiss issue, or the friends zone issue. It really is as simple as the diagram I’ve depicted. Going for it a bit earlier is the single most important step to not be friend zoned. If they DID understand it, it wouldn’t keep happening to countless guys on a daily basis.
As for the ‘how’… see the ‘Kissing’ hyperlink at the bottom of this post? Click that. Or type ‘kiss’ in the search box on the right hand side.
But since you ask… here’s a compilation of posts I just made from doing the above.
George Clooney Role Mole Seduction – http://3rdmilleniummen.wordpress.com/2012/08/15/out-of-sight-role-model-seduction/
The importance of eye contact in kissing – http://3rdmilleniummen.wordpress.com/2012/08/02/always-be-eye-fucking-2/
Blasting through a Rejected Kiss – http://3rdmilleniummen.wordpress.com/2012/08/12/my-perfect-10-a-whirlwind-international-romance-part-1/
Kissing a girl on a first date after having kissed her in a club – http://3rdmilleniummen.wordpress.com/2012/07/22/video-clip-barbie/
Passing a shit test to kiss a girl – http://3rdmilleniummen.wordpress.com/2012/09/07/field-report-amazonian-part-2/#more-869
How to kiss her when her body language is closed off – http://3rdmilleniummen.wordpress.com/2012/07/06/pull-the-trigger-your-duty-as-a-man-to-escalate/
Kissing after 60 seconds of meeting a girl – http://3rdmilleniummen.wordpress.com/2012/07/29/ridiculous-openers-part-1/
The importance of dominance in kissing a girl – http://3rdmilleniummen.wordpress.com/2012/11/01/how-to-kiss-a-girl/
This includes examples of times I have verbally spoken about kissing, like you suggest, and times I’ve done it without talking about it. It’s good to have a fallback method, but also good to push yourself in different ways to kiss her.
i’ve covered this SOOOO many times that i really don’t know what to add.
eye contact, stick out tongue playfully, approach, comment that she’s cute, look for IOI’s, after her second smile laugh- comment that she has a great smile and if she continues smiling like that she might end up pregnant, when she laughs, get a number. checkmate.
rinse repeat.
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Now that’s value added Mr. 3MM. Thank you for that. And dannyfrom504, you could add links to what you covered, hint hint.
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