George: I have previously said that women shouldn’t put out early if they want men to stick around and take them seriously. For stating the obvious I copped a stream of insults and abuse from do-gooders. At the same time, I received strong acknowledgement from men and women who know this to be a simple fact of life. Sexually promiscuous women can whinge, whine and complain about what I’ve said all they want. It doesn’t change how men feel about women who sleep around.
Men who want to find a woman for a long-term relationship or marriage (a codified LTR) are put off by histories of a slutty past. The woman who has given herself freely to men before him proves that old aphorism that it makes no sense for a man to pay for the pussy that was handed over no strings attached to other men when it was younger, hotter, tighter. You don’t seriously invest in a rode hard and tossed away wet pussy; instead, you ride it harder and wear it out a little more, then look for fresher pussy that doesn’t need its 60,000 cockas maintenance as soon as you sign the dotted line…
Therefore, when a long-loyal husband finds out his wife rode the cock carousel, even if discovered to have occurred in a prior life of hers, his respect for her drops a notch. His love for her shrinks three sizes.
His honed beta ability and predilection to put her on a pedestal and adore her suffers a grievous diminishment. She has, in a word, become a less worthy woman in his eyes. And, likewise, in the eyes of all men, because men, like women, share universal preferences for certain types of mates…
The haters are apoplectic. Their splutter is the stuff of delicious slo-mo videos. “But but but,” they will protest, “I can be slutty and still land a man! Any man who leaves me because I’m a slut doesn’t deserve me!” Deservin’s got nothin’ to do with it, honey. It’s biomechanical turtles all the way down.
You don’t understand how to get better. Your sluthood doesn’t make you a better person or a suitable wife. See, you’ve developed a taste for alpha dick, sorry to say.
For a reformed slut, settling for the man who was willing to marry you is a hard road to walk. Because you will know you once slept with hotter men — better bodies, better looking faces, longer and thicker penises. You will know some of the men you slept with before pressed every one of your attraction triggers. You’ll always remember the one or two men you slept with before who were so hot, so good looking, and you were so horny and wanted them so badly, that you went ahead and slept with them, and you didn’t care about the consequences. You didn’t care about your future husband. At the time you cared only about yourself… Instead of serving yourself, be quiet. Serve your God and your husband. Walk in humility and contrition.
3. The Rules Revisited writes that no guy wants to date a whore. It’s true:
No guy wants to date a whore. No guy likes the fact that his girlfriend (or potential girlfriend) has fucked lots of guys… there are a few interesting things to note:
1. Promiscuous men will be lenient in their expectations.
2. You can’t change your number, but you can change your attitude.
3. Don’t tell him how many guys you’ve slept with.
4. Roosh provides advice to girls:
All men are pigs. Yes, even I am a pig. All we want is to have sex with the least amount of effort. We will say anything you want to hear in order to get it. Understand that before sex, you have all the power, but afterwards you have very little. A guy who was jumping over himself to hang out with you will be more nonchalant after sex, like he doesn’t even care.
The only way a man will value you is if you made him put in a lot of investment before sex. The more work he puts in, the less he can rationalize that you were meaningless to him, and the more likely he will continue to pursue because he considers you above the rest. Each man you have sex with that doesn’t call you back will kill a part of your soul, and it’s your job to guard against that. Only have sex with men who earn it.
One last thing. A guy will use every trick in the book not to use a condom. If he tries, he has probably done that on who knows how many women, and those women have done the same on who knows how many men. Don’t turn your body into a petri dish.
Yes – something breaks in a girl when she has been banged too much.
There is whoooooole difference in dating girl with 11 nothces (19yrs old, full porn-service on d2) and a sweetheart with 1 boyfriend in past (25yrs old, d6, sweet love, missionary only so far). Both 7.5-8hb.
There is no difference in tightness, however guess which one I am spending more time and resources… I am also quite mad at myself that I promised to meet slutty one again.
Also an observation – I am happy that I can be myself (beta + flashes of dominance) next to sweet-one, while I am acting alpha (hard/physical dominance 90% + clues about nice guy) next to slutty-one.
Girls – you get guys you deserve.
“A guy will use every trick in the book not to use a condom.”
Hate condoms with a passion – although it depends on the woman – young ones, I don’t use them – older it’s a maybe… Most young women will, if the moment is right and they are horny forgo it although more than a few have made me promise that “you won’t accidentally cum in me”. To which I can swear, since it isn’t accidental in the slightest, I plan on banging one out in her.
The thing that amazes me is the number of guys that put up with using those things with their girl-friend. More than a few women have told me that they aren’t on birth-control since they make their boyfriend wears a condom – this is usually after I’ve cum inside of them. Of course they curse me, but will be back for more. I know that more than a few are turned on by the fact that their boyfriend has to use a condom, and this guy who is much older won’t use them, and bangs her bare-back. Of course, I have a supply of “morning-after” pills and I recommend them.
The above was driven home over the Holidays since a young lady I spent New Year’s with has a BF who was at his parents, so she hooked up with me to celebrate the New Year. He called her late when she was spending the night with me. What a moron… So if you’re not bangin’ your GF on New Year’s Eve, you can bet some other guy is filling in, and probably not using a condom either…
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This is the best summary of advice that could be offered to a woman.
“Why buy the cow when you get the milk for free”
-advice I overheard a *girl* dispensing to her friend. A true friend she is
my sister avoided the carousel by watching me bang a ton of girls. the girls i was fucking were beautiful, but they made her feel physically ill.
and she was HOME when i’d have girls over. and then, i banged most of her hot fiends too.
Danny, click the picture in this link. The video suits you well.
This one, hits home, and not in way that… inspires me. It just kinda made me feel, like the men out there who truly feel this way, view these women; hopeless.
I read the “Rules Revisited”. Regarding “So let’s say a guy has fucked 30 girls.”. What if say, the guys fucked 70 girls… that he can recall? I can’t think of a more fitting word than double standard. Yet, another part of me feels, when I have found this out in the past, the same as you wrote about how men feel about loose women “his respect for her drops a notch. His love for her shrinks three sizes.”, Yes, feelings of disgust washed over me and what I once felt for them ebbs a bit farther into the sea of love. Though not enough to matter, not enough to take the past as someone I did not know, a separate person completely, and focus of the person I m with today.
“Don’t tell him how many guys you’ve slept with.” This is a concept I have fully invested in, seen it succeed as a strategy with many of my now wed gf’s. I would like to know your opinion on this matter. is this acceptable or would you NNEEDDD to know the “number”?
“The only way a man will value you is if you made him put in a lot of investment before sex. The more work he puts in, the less he can rationalize that you were meaningless to him” – whole heartedly agree. However, what if some of the men that came before were meaningless to HER. does she owe it to them to pretend? isn’t that a bit of conning and manipulation, using her power for the sake of bad rather that relinquishing it, knowing she will never want more and not want to give a man the wrong impression. what if sleeping with someone sooner rather than later is the “good” thing for him to do?
“You can’t change your number, but you can change your attitude.” – does this at all affect “his respect for her drops a notch. His love for her shrinks three sizes.” Also, does a man realizes many of his actions have the same effect on women, potentially then evening the “respect” playing field?
on condoms – not much to say except, I always ask. have been tricked, literally like lied to, borderline abuse tricked. As a female, I honestly have no issue with them and see or feel no difference with or without except not having to deal w the guilt of NOT using one.
Lastly. The “hopelessness”. One cannot change the past nor have I ever believed in regretting it (find it a waste of energy). What makes a “quality man”. Is acceptance not part of this list of qualifications? or permitting privacy?
If there is no turning back, if I am doomed to spend the rest of my years alone (as I will not, am incapable of “settling”), then… wtf is the point? may as well offer myself up as a sacrifice – oh wait, they only accept virgins for that, should have asked me when I was 20….Seriously. What IS THE POINT? I should just turn in my “joy” card and commit to a life of seeking fulfillment, I will never get, out of travel, work and …crocheting?
“is this acceptable or would you NNEEDDD to know the “number”?”
Honestly, I don’t handle this very well, and guys don’t as a whole. Do we want to know? Yes and no. It’s a sick fascination, but we uncontrollably feel like we must. Only one girlfriend I didn’t know for… and I still kind of wish I did, at least so I could dispel my perfect impressions of her (this is my oneitis I’ll be posting about soon… and I know it was at least 2 though with her confidence and skills it could well have been 122!)
My friend has a philosophy to say that he has always slept with 3 other girls – one was his first gf, one was a long-term gf, and one was a one-night stand which he regrets. So when one gf told me she’d slept with 3… I kind of presumed it was more like 53, as my friend probably has. I guess at least 3 provides some type of hope to the other person’s partner. Not that I’m advocating lying… I just don’t know here. Catch-22.
Our definitions of ‘quality’ are all different, so that will just depend. At least for one… I think you’re fucking amazing
well, thank you for the unsolicited but much appreciated compliment and assessment of my “quality”.
I can understand that. When I was younger I had a fascination with “knowing” that was until I know and really didn’t like what I heard!
I have had men tell me the magic number 3, but in both cases I believed them based on, 1 technique and the other, I knew his history through friends, I was his 3rd, he was 22, had a long term gf in the british equivalent of HS, then after her fell into another long term in Uni, who he was with for 3 years and oh exactly 5 days before I met him (I swear I did not know that at the time!) in a hostel in Argentina. Apparently, they had set out together for a 5 mos trek across south America, she dumped him in a ski town in argentina aaaaand, I met him soon after (though waited over a 10 days to consummate – which in travel time is like 5 years!)
The others I asked or openly told me were in numbers that repulsed me, especially the last one who treated me and called me a slut for the duration of our relationship only to reveal, as it was unwinding, his sordid sexual pass as almost a smack in the face, like, this whole time ive been fucking with you, im the real whore… ass
Anyhow, there are SO many catch-22′s in life. I think some we just need to let go of. Starting with the ones that don’t include prison time or drug smuggling. Maybe.
Ive never been one for lying, though I know it has worked for friends. Which leads to another questions; which is worse, someone w a “slutty” pass or someone who lies about it?
“This is a concept I have fully invested in, seen it succeed as a strategy with many of my now wed gf’s. ”
How can you be on here debating the moral implications of N-counts when your slutty friends have duped some poor provider into a marriage based on lies, my apologies it’s not lying its being “economical with the truth”. Marriage was once a worthwhile institution but now is far from the ideological utopian structure it aspired to be. So this is a strategy for bagging a husband lie about your N-count, Classy.
“Life of seeking fulfilment, I will never get, out of travel, work and …crocheting?”
this is an inference based on the statement but I’m guessing your well-travelled so the problem arises that the men you were banging on tour were nowhere near the level you could get to marry you up hence the ” I am doomed to spend the rest of my years alone (as I will not, am incapable of “settling”), then… wtf is the point”
It has become a self-fulfilling prophecy has it not……………………..
All I can say is you can tell if a woman is a slut by her attitude. You don’t even need to ask a number. The higher her N the worse traits she possesses.
Virgins still possess things that make men nuts but as the number gets higher the things that make men go nuts increases exponentially.
like, what r these “traits”? y’all are so vague yet so persistant in your being right, im not disagreeing, just wonderin
Non stop shit testing, little to no sense of humor, easily agitated, hating or not trusting men, always needing to be in control, higher levels of anxiety and depression, judgmental of others, very sexual in the way she talks. Basically she becomes more like a man.
Now like I said…virgins do this too, but nowhere near the level that sluts have.
when a girl asks me how many girls i’ve been with i always answer, “do you REAAAAALLY want to know?” and make a serious face. if says she does i tell her, “more than i can remember.”
it usually gets dropped after that. and the subject changes.
“I can be slutty and still land a man! Any man who leaves me because I’m a slut doesn’t deserve me!”
When a man feels his gut is being gutted*, it does not matter if you think he deserves you or not, he does not care, he is in a war for his soul’s survival. And if he left you, he won that war. He does not deserve you, he deserves the victory, the salvation of his soul.
* evertime you say not tonight, everytime you say he deserves you sex, everytime you demand he prove his love is for love etc, when he knows that the milk was on free distribution to every gina tingler before he entered the picture to be the “special one”. A “special one” who had to prove this shit and that shit, so he gets a whiff of the milk glass.
for all the women cryin double standard.
well at least when women are virgins they are praised for it.
when guys are virgins, you wonder whats wrong with him.
I’d start saying I’m an emotional virgin. That’ll get you inner praise from a woman.
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Many guys simply cannot stomach the fact that the girl has been around the block with more guys than they have been with girls. In my opinion, a girl with a high partner count signals lack of discipline, lack of self-restraint, and lack of discernment – three qualities which I value highly in myself and also value highly in any girl I feel I would want as a long term partner. A girls’ total number is irrelavant to me, but I am more concerned about the ratio. If you’ve banged 50 dudes in 4 years at college (not counting summer), I will not consider you a long term prospect. That comes down to 12.5 guys a year, 6.25 a semester. I’m pretty sure most of those guys weren’t even that great. If you really needed to get off, why couldn’t you just masturbate? When you go for the sizzle, not the steak, it betrays your ability to be an effective long term partner and signals underlying personality traits which would be at odds with mine (and any real man). In the end, we would be reduced to another guy with a dick, despite what you may say. The other reasons for lack of acceptance of female promiscuity have already been covered in the fine post above.
P.S. Deti needs a blog.
If you are contemplating a marriage partner ther is one N count that matters and it is very easy to verify; 0.
If she let herself be used by someone else and tossed aside doesn’t that automatically make you not as good as him? And given this why would you want to pay even more (marriage) for her proving and cementing your lack of worth – afterall those OTHER guys got it when it was younger and hotter. Would a girl mind it much if you blew all your money on other girls and thus can’t provide for her well? If a womans primary asset starting off is her looks and virginity after she wastes this on others why should a man dedicate his the increasing value of his work and ability to a girl whose best has been sold to others? Do you like paying more for rotten fruit?
I’m a mid-twenties female who hasn’t had sex. However, I see the hypocrisy in this – why should I hold out for a man who in turn has probably slept with dozens of women with no remorse/regret for using them and expects women to be saints?
To “Double Standard”
I understand what you say. Yet the answer is obvious – if there is a differential standard expressing long-held and persisting mating preferences by (the vast majority of) men and women, then I’d pay attention to this. (=>) Susan Walsh repeatedly wrote about the fall-out and the hidden cost of female promiscuity, so there is little if any need to repeat that here, time and again.
What if some men visit brothels (which is true – but purely [/perhaps even poorly?] descriptive) – by way of implication, should (note: this statement is “prescriptive” or “normative”) women sleep around?
I once had fallen in love with a woman who, as I learned later, had a “wild time” in your youth, including casual sex, several unprotected ONS, MMF threesome(s?), an affair with a fellow-student making money as a a callboy – and she was still fondly remembering the dicks of all forms and sizes… etc. – needless to say, for these and some other reasons, I dumped her. She really felt I was “the love of her life” – but I could not live with that knowledge.
Btw, she even had lied about her past, and later it turned out that she had cheated repeatedly on her first husband (in some instances, unprotected as well).
So, despite not having been an angel myself, this was too much to take. Just a personal note from a man in his 50s, a professor of psychology, who believed he was fairly liberal until he learnt about his personal limits the hard way.
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