The Manosphere is here to encourage men to be men. To be alpha, and males to fulfil the proper roles that they should have. Similarly, it is to encourage women to be feminine. The sexes have different roles, which is essential that they play.
But something has concerned me lately. There are a lot of bitter, twisted comments in the Manosphere directed towards women, from both men and women.
I will not tolerate misogyny, hatred towards women, under any circumstances. Belittling women on the basis of them being inferior to men as people or encouraging violence or abuse to women in ANY form is utterly unacceptable. I will never tolerate it. Men who physically or sexually abuse women or girls should be locked away for a very long time.
Now this is entirely different from criticising the behaviour of women. Women mess up majorly in the dating sphere. As do men. I’m eager to improve the behaviours of both.
But remember that women are physically weaker than men. They are on the receiving end of the vast majority of cases of physical and sexual abuse, violence etc. We as men have a critical responsibility to shield and protect them. As Krauser has said:
Men are born to lead and protect women, and those men who climb to the top of the value pyramid are better able to do so. You accept women’s submissive role as being their desire to step inside your reality and give themselves up to your direction and order. By accepting their submission you are also taking responsibility for her physical and emotional welfare. You become the man of steel and velvet. While she sits inside your reality she can blossom and grow, learning about herself and life and in return she provides you with the sex and affection that lightens the burden you have assumed. It’s a co-operative value-for-value exchange.
I’ve previously written: I’ve come across a number of blogs lately, which have the view that the Manosphere is about hating women. I don’t believe this is the case. I believe that great men love women, and make them love life. I believe that when we are fully developed as men, we can give girls a more incredible experience than anything else they’ve ever felt previously… Athol Kay is probably right – “By and large the angry men in the Manosphere are angry because the bottom line after the divorce / cheating / family court / drama is that someone they loved, didn’t love them back”.
A number of recent posts have really concerned me. A couple of examples:
1. One woman, who I won’t link to, wrote the following:
Woman: A man was convicted of raping a 14 year old girl when he was 20. She had a baby and he is the father. Now he wants visitation rights. He wants to see his child. The victim of the rape does not want the guy in her life. He pays child support. Here is the link: Link If the rapist is paying child support, should he get to see his child?
Article: The teen mother was raped by the 20-year-old family friend three years ago and says she still suffers from severe anxiety and depression. She says she is terrified at the prospect of having any dealings with her tormentor.
3MM: WTF. He raped the girl when she was a minor. He doesn’t deserve ANYTHING. She didn’t CHOOSE to have him in her life, because she was a child when she was raped. You are one sick, disturbed individual having thoughts like that.
Woman: I see your point. I think as a father paying child support, he should have the rights, but throw rape into the equation and it makes things very uncomfortable. If I were the mother, I would not accept any money from him whatsoever and not have myself or the child to have anything to do with him.
3MM: “but throw rape into the equation and it makes things very uncomfortable.” Makes things VERY UNCOMFORTABLE?! What about the poor girl who was RAPED?! A totally abhorrent crime?! Your perspective is so bizarre I can’t comprehend it in the slightest. I won’t be coming back.
2. Roosh posted a recent video where he says: The worst thing any man can do, anywhere, is ask advice from a woman. To ask a woman how to get things in life, how a man can be a man, how he can get laid, how he can start a business, is the stupidest thing he can do. A woman is not put on this earth to help man. She just doesn’t know. She doesn’t know the male experience. She knows how to look pretty, how to push papers in an office and menial tasks, how to look good, how to fuck, but in terms of helping me get what they want in life, they cannot give this advice.
3MM: Roosh, completely disagree on this one with you. I had a massive leg up in my career because of a powerful, talented, successful woman who is focused on giving young people a head start. She remains one of the most skilful, talented people I have ever met. It sucks and is unbelievably you apparently haven’t met a woman like that before!
Alf replied: The first poster is a dyke troll. This is a bullseye post. Women are dumb animals. It’s just the way they are. But I also should add that many men always do listen to the advice of women, so how does one know the fellow man you are speaking to is simply echoing the useless advice of a female?
3MM: Alf said “The first poster is a dyke troll.” You can go to my blog http://3rdmilleniummen.wordpress.com and read over a hundred posts I’ve written. The only troll here is you.
“This is a bullseye post. Women are dumb animals. It’s just the way they are.” Your misogyny is pathetic. Your utter hatred of women will continue to ensure you never get any.
Men, love and respect women. Feel free to contact me if you have reasons why you love women.
Yup. I often want to comment on these things, but then wonder if there’s a point, because much like politics and religion, I’m not sure these guys can be convinced of anything other than their own worldview, which includes all women being horrible, evil, stupid, maniacal bitches, no matter what.
Another Manosphere blogger wrote and entire post based on my breakdown of the Good Wife Guide (it was a great post, and made some points to compliment what I’d already written), but some of the comments to it really blew me away. I was compared to a slave owner, because I’m a “gender supremacist” posing as a concerned wife, and I just want men to “know their place”. Huh?? I just didn’t even know how to respond. My husband’s reaction was “man, that guy must never get laid”. I can’t imagine being that angry at 50% of the human population.
Boughts of hatred most likely come from some form insecurity. When I was younger I used to hate women for various reasons because I was myself very insecure about many things in my life.
On the flip side…becoming confident reduced my hatred. It is one of the best benefits. I’m fully aware WHAT a woman can do to me…but I don’t hate their nature.
I’ll give you my recent discovery why I love women…conversing with them. After learning how to talk with them…it’s more interesting than talking with guys. Sure I like solving problems, talking sports, or debating as much as the next guy…but with ladies you can be creative and you don’t have to solve anything in a conversation. Plus it challenges me to be a better conversationalist…and I like challenges.
“The worst thing any man can do, anywhere, is ask advice for a woman.” –Roosh V.
First, it was “from” a woman, not “for.” Proofreading may seem like a chore, but the fruits of carefully executed prose greatly exceed the sweat it takes to make sure you wrote what you meant.
Roosh was talking about taking relationship advice, and he was right. Women give preposterously bad relationship advice to men, and commonly to other women. They project. They spew solipsisms. How many men do you know who give relationship advice to women? Damn few, and the ones who do are dumbasses. If you want to learn how to fish, you ask the fisherman, not the fish.
“I will not tolerate misogyny, hatred towards women, under any circumstances.”
Maybe not on your blog; otherwise, you are going to have to suck it up like the rest of us. And you’ll swallow the misandry as well. Bon appetit.
Thanks for pointing out the one incorrect word, I’ve fixed it.
As it says in the post, Roosh said “the worst thing any man can do, anywhere, is ask advice from a woman. To ask a woman how to get things in life, how a man can be a man, how he can get laid, how he can start a business, is the stupidest thing he can do.”
Roosh wasn’t just talking about relationships advice.
Reading carefully may seem like a chore, but the fruits of carefully read prose greatly exceed the sweat it takes to make sure you understood what was written.
“I will not tolerate misogyny, hatred towards women, under any circumstances. Belittling women on the basis of them being inferior to men as people or encouraging violence or abuse to women in ANY form is utterly unacceptable. I will never tolerate it.”
been saying that since the day i started my site. and as Zorro points out below- “i respect the respectable, and love the lovable.
stay up
PS: “Men, love and respect women.”
I love women who are lovable. I respect women who are respectable.
Perhaps you heard the old saw: “Feminism is the radical concept that women are human beings.” You agree? Good. Being a human is hardly a compliment. Humans are seriously fucked up. Many men are fucked up. Many women are fucked up. You might think about not branding half of the human species as being de facto worthy of love and respect. Feminists, slut marchers and women who falsely accuse men of rape, for three examples, are certifiably fucking worthless human beings who deserve neither love nor respect.
Kindly grow up.
Completely agree with you. The bitterness and genuinely hateful remarks made by some of the men in the manosphere makes them no better than the feminists they claim to despise. They seem to wonder why women don’t want to be with them, but if you say the things they say I can’t exactly blame them for it.
This comment is spot on! I’m trying to be the best woman I can be, trying to learn more about how I can better meet the needs of my man and trying to learn more about men in general. But so much of what is written on the manosphere is so derogatory and deliberately hurtful. Misogyny isn’t the way to combat misandry. Both genders need to develop respect and appreciation for their own roles and those of the other … that’s one of the reasons why I like this blog, it is a safe learning zone.
I can’t disagree, but I do feel it’s strange you quoted Krauser here.
The only time I’ve ever actually felt ‘wrong’ about reading any blog around these parts was when I happened by a post of Krauser’s where he recorded and posted audio of him fucking some teenage girl.
I’d file that one under irresponsible use of power, personally.
Unless there was some sort of signed release I wasn’t aware of.
A thoroughly effeminate and unnecessary post. First and last time visiting this site.
Do I agree that misogyny is unhealthy. Yes. Do I think women are entirely equal to men? No.
Coming from a family in which my father used to use physical violence, I totally understand what you are saying in a large amount of your post. Unfortunately, a large part of what the manosphere bloggers teach is inherently sexist, and the guys who are really angry take it to misogyny. The problem is that being sexist (to a certain degree) works better than treating women equally for most men who swallow the red pill. Many guys push it into misogyny and keep on getting results, hence the attitudes.
I wouldn’t go so far as to say women are dumb animals or only know how to fuck (far from it), but I would go so far as to say you have to adopt at least some degree of a “superior” attitude when dealing with women. This “superior” attitude is the firm belief that men are better equipped to do certain things than a women. I prefer to label this attitude healthy sexism, because even Krauser’s “cheerful misogyny” heads into some areas I’m not entirely comfortable with (at least if his post from 2010 is still relevant http://krauserpua.com/2010/01/20/a-short-comment-on-my-misogyny/).
And now for some darker experiences…
As much as I hate to say it due to my past experience: most women seem to respond to fear with arousal. I hate that it may be true because of what it means to my parent’s relationship, but I’m not so blind as to ignore what I’ve seen. Hell, I’ve had the same discussion with my sister who actively tries to teach her friends NOT to hook up with guys that scare them. But guess what? Her friends still get with guys that are intimidating! Would I ever go so far as to hit a woman? Never. I would gladly “white knight” if a man ever threatened with a woman with physical violence, but that’s just coz the shit I’ve been through.
And I have one more experience about a friend of mine that I could write about, but it’s fucking dark. It’s also fucking depressing because if it says anything about the nature of women in general then I’d almost rather go live in a cave somewhere…
I agree, some posts do convey that “woman hating” vibe but two points here. One these blogs are not the GOSPEL to being a man. That comes from your own life experiences which leads me to point number two. All these blogs are entertainment! If you are using these to create a life for yourself good luck. The concepts are cool to think about. But once you leave the keyboard or screen you are in a different place where the “red pill” is just from a movie.
Manosphere is low on love and respect for women because the posters there don’t percieve them as worthy based on their own life experiences.
Love and respect isn’t and shouldn’t be unconditional.
I hope you are not gonna go around shutting down manosphere blogs due to your intolerence.
Social Kenny is the only person I know with such God-like abilities:
http://3rdmilleniummen.wordpress.com/2012/10/25/the-university-of-man/
I agree with you in general. Women should be treated with love and respect – just like men. Call them out on their bullshit, don’t put them on a pedestal, but treat them as decent, valuable human beings.
One nitpick though, when you write:
“[Women] are on the receiving end of the vast majority of cases of physical and sexual abuse, violence ”
That statement is untrue for physical abuse, and for violence. Regarding sexual abuse it is more debatable. I suspect it is the majority of sexual abuse but not a “vast majority” (including male prisoners in the statistics can produce a big swing).
Here’s a link on domestic violence.
http://feminism.martinsewell.com/Archer2000.pdf
Basically women use domestic violence slightly more than men, but men only account for 38% of injuries (probably due to greater male strength)
Here’s a link for violent crime in Canada.
http://www.victimsweek.gc.ca/res/r512.html
“In 2008, men were the victims of 80% of all reported attacks by strangers.”
Thank you for this post. It really put things into perspective for me on where you stand. I’m starting to see a difference in opinions between bloggers and followers of the manosphere. I used to have this idea that everyone around here had this universal view on women, but they don’t, and this confirms that. It’s actually quite relieving.
I totally agree with you. I have a close friend who used to be a real beta kind of guy. Regularly buying chocolates and fluffy toys for a girl who had a boyfriend despite her not being interested.
Now his eyes have been opened to the reality of the world but I can see him struggling really hard to accept woman as they are without his rose tinted glasses. With their innocence gone, he sees only their manipulative behaviours and gets bitter and angry that they would even try to get the better of him. The end result being he never sees the beautiful feminine energy they have to offer. And as you can imagine, it’s a self perpetuating worldview. If you think women are nothing but bitchy and you treat them as such, then that’s what you get back.
I hope he can break out of the cycle but he’s under the illusion that it is in fact him being a strong character that doesn’t take any shit. When it just seems his ego won’t let him let go of his anger and just enjoy life. He’s a top bloke, very charming and confident (little bit of short man syndrome) but, although his new behaviours lead to him pulling more than he used to when he let himself be a complete doormat, he needs to break through it.
3MM, I’ve tried chatting to him to slowly shift his worldview and he’s even seen how relaxed and friendly I am even to bitchy girls (I don’t take her bullshit but that can be ‘punished’ by just letting your attention wander, you don’t need to get into a shouting match, that’s completely counter-productive). Somehow, I’ve reached a point where most things can slide right off me and I’m much happier for it.
I respect your opinion so any thoughts on how I can convince him to be the same and let go of his anger towards women?
Thanks for your trust in us Lucky! Now that he’s taken the red pill, he’s understandably upset and struggling to come to grips with this false reality. I think it’s important he develops himself and places himself in situations where he’s going to meet feminine, sweet, nice girls. He’s going to have a damn hard time finding them at bars and clubs, especially with flaking, games and bitch shields. He’ll have a much better chance through friends or at university. When he finds a girl he clicks with and there’s no games, no bullshit, it will be easier to appreciate and love her. But he doesn’t want to get so bitter and twisted in the meantime that he is incapable of loving her fully and being the man he needs to. Support him in his path, tell him to think about why he loves women, and channel the positivity through there. He will also need to come to grips with his past beta behaviors and realize the things HE did wrong. Heartiste’s 16 Commandments of Poon should help in that regard. When I went beta in a relationship a while back I had to come to grips that it was in fact my behaviour that had contributed to driving her away. Getting self righteous about what great men are doesn’t help.
So going from “all women are so innocent and fluffy” to “omg they’re all manipulative bitches” is what people call “taking the red pill” around here?
Lol… yea. Had your buddy gone with the REASONABLE worldview, you know, with women being *people* as capable of any evil or good as any man (varying individually of course), this whole red pill overdose drama wouldn’t be taking place.
No it’s seeing human dynamics for what they really are. It’s not always placing girls on a pedestal, because that won’t actually make them happy.
I understand what you’re saying, but (1) people shouldn’t be forced to be nice, this is one of the great things about the manosphere (2) who decides when to draw the line? (3) part of taking the red pill involves anger, it goes away for most guys eventually, but most red pill men are angry at some point when the see through the lies for the first time and see how much energy and opportunities they lost…
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Men are born to lead and protect women,
I am a foreigner and this American pedestalization thing is weird. No, men are born to honor God (if you are religious) or to be happy as they wish (if you are not).
We are not here to serve anybody but God. We are not born to protect another human being. We are human beings too and not tools.
You accept women’s submissive role as being their desire to step inside your reality and give themselves up to your direction and order.
Sorry, but I don’t value submission that high. If you have to take charge of another adult person in exchange of a bit of submission and sex, I think I’ll pass. Or, I’d rather get a grown-up woman who is able to pull her own weight and we’ll give direction and order to our kid’s life.
Yeah, the anger is a bit frightening. I don’t think men are superior to women, or vice versa. We are, however, different by dint of both biology and life experience.
Those differences are something to appreciate, not loathe. I’m still feeling my way into my new understanding of the modern SMP, but it’s made me content, not angry.
yes, I agree. I think men and women contribute equally to society just in different ways.
Both have areas where they are dominant and where they are submissive. It is easy to gravitate towards only viewing the male dominant role because they are perhaps more obvious, more apparently viewable, but that doesn’t make it an absolute truth.
Physically, yea, men, for the most part are more dominant. That is ONE area. Taking it back to the beginning. Going caveman on you. While the men were out hunting and building and whatever, who were raising the children? tending to the sick? basket weaving? preparing the food? gathering nuts, berries and such? Men fought off the predators, women found ways to avoid the predators (well the smart ones anyways)
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“3MM: WTF. He raped the girl when she was a minor.”
… and the same legal system has also forced male rape victims to pay child support.
I have mixed feelings about your cause. You want men to be men-hopefully responsible-strong-loyal-faithful-loving men. Ok-that is cool. BUT claiming women are the weaker sex just because we can’t physically beat Muhammad Ali isn’t right. That is being misogynistic right there saying that women have to look a certain way and perform certain tasks! Women gave you life..why do you want to oppress us so much? Women today have choices. We used to be property. Why would we want to revert back to being so awfully opressed? There seems to be a war on women in this country. Why? And I happen to be a psychologist so many men ask me for advice by the way! I hope you understand that you ARE being misogynistic with your “value system.” Why not be a real man and change that?
Women ARE physically weaker. Hence you’re more vulnerable to physical and sexual violence, something I’ve written against many times.
Oppressed in what way?! Property in what regard?! Either you’re severely misunderstanding what I’m writing, or you’re just trolling for the sake of it.
“Look a certain way”
Men are attracted to feminine women. That’s what I’m advocating, that women be feminine if they want to attract a man. If they don’t, then no problem. Live your life however you want.
“and perform certain tasks!”
I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you’ve completely MISREAD what I wrote, and not realised that I was DISAGREEING with what Roosh said here:
i.e. “She knows how to look pretty, how to push papers in an office and menial tasks, how to look good, how to fuck, but in terms of helping me get what they want in life, they cannot give this advice.
3MM: Roosh, completely disagree on this one with you”
Go read the post again Ms Psychologist, I am SERIOUSLY doubting that you are one with your lack of comprehension. I doubt you would have been able to get through university.
Sometimes when I read posts and comments on manosphere blogs I wonder if anyone here has ever taken an anthropology (or geology or evolution course).
It is true that we can and probably gain the most insight in discussing gender roles as they pertain and exist in western modern society (by modern I refer to post beginning with the Victorian era).
However, there are MANY cultures that have DRASTICALLY different gender role models in addition to hyper different views, use of and values regarding sex.
I took a course in university : anthropology of sex and sexuality and lemme tell you – my mind was blown.
There are societies in the pacific rim that perform “ritualized homosexuality” (the practice of young boys upon reaching 13-15 are taken under the wing of an adult male and perform oral sex on him until he had ingested enough semen to become a man himself, this is a rite of passage under the belief that men need semen, need to take it in to BECOME dominate masculine – now that is so far from our belief system and yet the desired outcome is the same in regard to gender roles, so.. Interesting). Also cultures that encourage children, YES like pre-puebesant 5-12 year olds to “play”, including having sex with each other. They see it as establishing human bonding and aiding in social skill development.
I could go on, there are quite a few practices within fairly small isolated cultures that practice these rituals to this day. Don’t even get me started on the Romans and how they viewed and used sex… So when we talk about “modern times” or the ways things just “are”, I think we are being a bit short-sited. Roman times were, in the context of human existance, not that long ago.
In reference to stronger/weaker sex. Here is the fact – physical strength had little or nothing to do with human survival or our evolution, if strength were the determining factor we’d have either frozen our asses off during the ice age or wouldn’t even have made to tbat era bc we would have been eaten by lions and tigers and bears – oh my!
What led to our survival was the evolution of cognitive function of our brains. That’s it. And we reeaaally can’t go back and prove it wasn’t a women who said one day, hey, it’s gettin kind of chilly, maybe take that bear hide and wrap it around you – tada invention of the coat!
Moms, always telling you to take a coat or sweater… Some things I guess never do change
I agree with what you say. Women are physically weaker, emotionally more vulnerable, evil, manipulative (applies to western women) and sometimes crazy. They are not even close to the male race and what we achieved. So What? Does that mean we can go around hating on them because they are inferior? Anyone who says that hasn’t met feminine women, who actually want to help you. They think women (all) wan’t to destroy men, never could something be more wrong. They fail to acknowledge a lot of women WANT to help and be with men. Truly saddening among us men. We can hate feminism and what it caused, but hating the women who aren’t feminist is ridiculous. We just go along with all the white supremacist groups, that hate you for illogical reasons ex: skin,creed,ethnicity,history and appearance. Behind all the excellent posts many of the legendary manosphere writers write about how to bang women, why women do this and that, they still ”love” women, yes love. They love to indulge in women and find out all the weaknesses in them, not to exploit them in a horrible way (rape,extreme misogyny (sexism, with good reason exists, those guys still like women)
BUT to attract them, people need to stop thinking all these flaws we show them on women (what guys they want, how the system works etc..) is used to shit in their faces, instead it is used to get through the many obstacles they put in front of us to pick out weaker men and give a direct road through an almost impossible labyrinth to a fucking alpha male. Of course you will hear me call cockblockers bitch, you will hear me point out weaknesses of women to exploit, (reasonably) you will hear me insult women, (always with reason, never ”just to do it”) and you will hear me talk bad about the biased western society we live in, and how the dark triad works in attracting poon. Although I will say I hate women, women are shit compared to men, and rating all women, just because of 5-10 women (which 99% of men do)
I will love,manipulate,cheat,attract,charm, and fuck any women i can, but I will never treat them like I am above them to a level were I assume I am god. Never
3MM, on behalf of all respectable women out there I just want to say thank you for sticking up for us in the Manosphere. I know a lot of us can be difficult to understand and a man’s first reaction to being hurt comes off as anger, hence the hatred on some blogs towards women. But just because one woman has made a man jaded does not give him the right to belittle us to little playthings on their mantle, just like it’s not appropriate for women to paint all men when the same brush because she was hurt by some alpha jackhole. It’s all a cycle; which came first the asshole or the bitch? No one really can say. I’ve had a fair share of assholes come into my life, but I’ve also had some really great guys come into my life as well and that gives me hope that they are out there. Without the dark you cannot appreciate the light. I’ve advocated for men when most of my girlfriends were ready to banish all men because they had their heart broken. I know there are great men out there because I’ve experienced it, and I can tell you’re a great man as well with your head and heart in the right place. The more women who realize this, the better partners they’ll be to men, and the better partners they’ll be, the more men will appreciate and value women(I hope) and try to be a better man for their girl.
“I believe that great men love women, and make them love life.” – seriously, this is the most evolved, brilliant, astute thought about the male-female dynamic I have ever come across.
If 20% of men understood this there would be like 75% less divorce. The world would be a better place. Women may be less physically dominant, but they play a more dominant role in child rearing, setting the tone of the family atmosphere. When women are educated in communities 3rd world countries, overall health improves, as does education and overall quality of life. Women provide comfort, influence the next generation. If they are loved and happy they are inclined to be better people, promote greater change, help make the world a better place.
Bravo. Really.
You lost me at: “There are a lot of bitter, twisted comments in the Manosphere directed towards women, ***from both men and women***.
[...] ***Men*** who physically or sexually abuse women or girls should be locked away for a very long time.”
So, both men and women verbally (by writing) attack women, and then it is only men who “physically or sexually abuse women or girls”? You should get your facts straight: women abuse women and girls as well. Please fix that sexist sentence.
It is not that men should protect women. Everybody should be protecting everybody else which is in a vulnerable position. And men are vulnerable, too, as I can say first hand, after having been shielded by women when I was vulnerable in the past.
As Gavin De Becker, the world’s leading expert on violent crime, says in his seminal work The Gift of Fear – http://amzn.to/SlU2sV
“Men of all ages and in all parts of the world are more violent than women. For this reason, the language in this book is mostly gender-specific to men. When it comes to violence, women can proudly relinquish recognition in the language, because here at least, politically correct would be statistically correct”.
Good post but you need to read these to update your facts:
http://elusivewapiti.blogspot.no/2012/06/some-facts-about-domestic-violence.html
http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/false-rape-culture/manufacturing-female-victimhood-marginalizing-vulnerable-men/
“I believe that great men love women, and make them love life.”
this is great.
Again, I have to say as a woman, I am really enjoying what you have to say.
Thank you!
Thanks Cate, appreciate it!
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Just a reminder . . .
Some of the purported misogyny in the Manosphere comes from men who have taken the Red Pill and have seen the Matrix in its day-to-day operation. At the time the Pill is ingested and it working its magic across the blood-boner barrier, there’s a proportional rise in anger and sense of betrayal. What was told to them no longer makes sense and they find out that it has been hurting them for so long that they lash out. The target is usually women, because women were the “prizes” and the objects they placed upon pedestals.
It’s understandable. But, nursing the sense of betrayal is corrosive in the long run. Not surprisingly, many PUAs are born, rifling through women without concern for them as human beings. Then, one hopes, they settle down and then realize that women are women and men are men. No ideology can explain away the physiological and emotional differences. Gender might be something of a social construct, but sexuality isn’t.
I am amazed at the few men that commented here who are taking issue with your ability to feel comfortable enough to say love and respect women.
I know a few in particular that treat women like slaves and then are surprised that they can not have a loving mutually respectable relationship. I always enjoy reading manosphere blogs, yours is the best.
basically a man can live by himself, independent of society. A woman cannot
“While she sits inside your reality she can blossom and grow, learning about herself and life and in return she provides you with the sex and affection that lightens the burden you have assumed. It’s a co-operative value-for-value exchange.”
Just as you start wondering if there can be any single sentence that has the ability to unambiguously and rightly convince you that the person who wrote it (and everyone agreeing) is a complete nuthead… this comes along.
That one sentence speaks of an *extremely* unworldly, deluded set of views.
Can such a relationship be nice? Sure, whatever floats anyone’s boat. That doesn’t change the fact that a woman can “blossom and grow” in every way (except obviously romantically) as a single. Or that most relationships are about the woman enjoying the “sex and affection” every bit as much as the man, rather than “providing” the man with it as an “exchange” for something.
This age-old cliche may have some validity to it in some scavenger jungle environment in which the loner woman can’t hunt bears and hence looks for a nice chivalrous Fabio guy to care for her – not so much in the (better) modern world, unless a role distribution of this kind somehow suits both (and boy are there many different role constellations that people get off to).
I mean it’s all written to poetically, and feels so cute and fuzzy I almost feel like romanticizing the shit of your essay and picture some noble long-haired warrior with his fair lady riding into the sunset – but then I remember we’re living in reality and you’re basically talking about picking up some woman with a successful job/career in business, art or whatnot, and hoping to show her what “real blossoming” is by exhanging all of that for some benign form of submission; or specifically looking for those without, because they’re probably easier to deal with; and I snap out of it, the glorious romantic fantasy, right back into the creepy, insecure, pathetic reality.
But I like the whole anti-violence, anti-misogyny thing; that’s a huge plus
3MM, all I have to say is that the woman who ends up with you is one lucky girl.
Thank you, that is a very sweet thing to say.
P.S. I stalked your Facebook. You’re attractive.
I got wind that this is what your site was about, or synonymous with, good stuff.
Criticism of female behavior is important in that it teaches younger guys that they don’t have to idealize females, as they’ve probably been broought up to do, that they can evaluate femae behavior, and to break down the white knight syndrome.
Knee jerk defense of females isn’t good unless they really are in danger, though of course even realistic criticism overheard can run them off.
What are you going to do about a Patti Rothberg (from a song with an obvious title):
If it’s okay for women to push the maltreatment of women (on an NPR station no-less) why the double-standard preventing men from advocating for the exact same thing?
this is the worst piece of advice i have ever read:
http://boldanddetermined.com/2011/11/18/the-only-piece-of-advice-you-will-ever-need-to-pick-up-and-attract-women-and-keep-them-vying-for-your-love-attention-and-affection/
being alpha doesn’t mean become a raging punk